Life complicated for UVa’s Groh

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His best defensive tackle now plays at Kansas State.
The expected quarterback of future takes classes at Oregon State.
His most talented wide receiver logs a handful of snaps with the Dallas Cowboys.
Other would-be impact players merely vanished in the night.
That revolving-door policy, among myriad other contributing factors, has made life complicated for Virginia coach Al Groh during the program’s worst slide in two decades.
Yet the current crop of Cavaliers, potentially headed for a three-win season, has not been tougher to coach than the previous eight models, the coach said.
“About the same as all the preceding ones, and I say this in a positive way,” he told reporters on Monday at John Paul Jones Arena. “When you win, it’s a grind. When you lose, it’s a grind. You know, but it’s positive. It’s good. It’s what we choose for it to be.
“But to do 100 hours a week and go through the whole process again every week, there is no
carry-over.”
That’s the only way for Groh to approach what appear to be the final two games at his alma mater on the heels of yet another home loss.
“Boston College is over. You grade the film, you put it in the file, and you start the whole process over again,” he said. “That’s what we like to do. We enjoy getting ready for games. We enjoy teaching players. We enjoy the competition.”
While a buyout may soon steal the headlines, the “process” of preparing for contests and
opponents — including Saturday’s foe, Clemson — is rewarding for the Groh and his assistants.
“The result is paramount, but the process is fun,” he said. “So when I say it’s a grind, win or lose, it’s the same deal. Every season is challenging in that respect.
“Every season has things to deal with. Every season you get guys hurt — that’s why we don’t make a big deal out of it. Sometimes it hurts your circumstances more than others, but you can’t choose what year you’re going to make a big issue out of it.”
Hall’s future a mystery
NFL scouts have long raved about the open-door policy to watch video of games and
practices at the University of Virginia.
It is not uncommon for scouts to camp out in Charlottesville for weeks.
Those scouts have certainly paid close attention to senior Vic Hall.
But where will the quarterback-turned-cornerback-turned-offensive playmaker be slotted by a professional team?
Based on the feedback that Groh has received, it likely depends on the source.
“Probably I would say that they don’t know,” the coach said. “Each one’s got a little different idea, because you’re going to get 32 different — maybe not 32, but a widespread different set of ideas — on a play like Vic has done, but the range of things that he’s done has certainly helped his circumstances because it’s provided more options of which he can be evaluated.”
Groh has been reluctant, of course, to offer his own opinion for where to place the Virginia native in training camp.
“We don’t try to evaluate the players for them,” he added. “We just answer the questions for them.”
As far as making his program accessible to the pro scouts, something other programs shy away from, Groh said it was only appropriate to help benefit the student-athletes individually for the future.
“We feel when those players give us everything they have and they still have dreams to go on, the least we can do is open the door and provide them as much opportunity to be evaluated,” he said. “But we’ll answer their questions and they know that we’re accessible to that.”
Dreadful at Scott Stadium
From the “Adventures of Cavman” to the raising of the orange “Power Flag,” nothing has seemed to help put Virginia over the top when playing at Scott Stadium this season.
The Cavaliers are, in fact, just 1-5 at home. It ranks among the worst figures in college football.
Why the drop-off?
“Talent,” Groh answered. “The most talented teams win most of the time.”
Sizing up Simpson
Virginia running back Mikell Simpson went from being a starter against Miami to an innocent bystander against Boston College.
The tailspin in a seven-day period likely stems from the neck injury that Simpson had against Indiana when he logged second-half carries in a lopsided game.
In noticeable fashion, Simpson has not run in his old manner.
“That would be a natural thing for anybody,” Groh said. “I don’t say it wouldn’t be an unexpected thing for somebody who had been taken off the field on a board.
“We thought in one of the first games that he was back that he didn’t have quite the same abandon that he had before. You’d have to ask him that.”
That will not be an option, however, per UVa policy, unless Simpson sees action in one of the final two games.

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Flag Comment Posted by Sen Blutarsky on November 22, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Letting the scouts in on players is wonderful and all but how come Groh can’t generate wins against W&M, Duke, Wyoming?  I have seen few team wins (beating Miami at the Orange Bowl) but lots of individual wins (Chris Long’s 9-win season).  I still don’t quite get the use of Vic Hall for 3-years and then this past year.

Next level means wins, major bowls, and rankings.  The HONORable thing would be to resign and maybe give some $$$ back to the UVA.

Flag Comment Posted by Ghost of RR on November 17, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Wow…is it just me, or does “Grandpa” Groh sound a lot like the Raiders’ JaMarcus Russell?  Blame everyone but themselves for their failures, and then wonder why everyone is pointing the finger at them? At least it’s only for two more games that we have to endure this whole sorry circus…and to think what Virginia could have been doing the last nine years with a REAL head coach. Let the rebuilding begin, and soon!

Flag Comment Posted by readytogo on November 17, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Maybe Al can go back with Bill Bellichek.  After all, they have previous history and both are arrogant to the point that they cost their team.  Bill is not well liked in the league and I am sure that Al can continue that with the good will he has fostered at UVA

Flag Comment Posted by gator on November 17, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Al Groh said in his first year here that he was going to take Virginia football to the next level. He did what he said he would do. But I like everyone thought the next level was a step up not a step down. Speaking of “step down” now is the time Al.

Flag Comment Posted by number1wahoo on November 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm

The thing that gets me when reading this article when asked why the drop off he replied “talent”  I am sorry but isn’t it Groh’s job to get that talent?  So he is basically saying the reason for the drop off is the coaching/recruiting.  I mean lets be honest the majority of real talent we have had in the recent years has come from George Welsh. I am talking about the Schuab’s and the Pearman’s of the past.  Groh is a defensive coach and cannot recruit and his teams have shown that.  UVa being ranked 119 out of 120 this year in offense shows that to be true.  Thank you for what you have done Groh(or the lack there of) but it is time to go

Flag Comment Posted by michael57 on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 am

groh was paid big $$$ to run with the big boys, not behind them. he will land softly with his buyout

Flag Comment Posted by da81champ on November 17, 2009 at 11:12 am

We cannot compare Groh to Welsh as far as bringing the program as far as he could. Welsh improved the program leaps and bounds but Groh did not do that. He had a couple of 9 win seasons, but the 9 win team for a couple years ago, did anyone really feel they were a great team?  What he did to Vic Hall is one of the worst coaching moves I’ve seen in my life. Vic Hall was rated the 9th best QB in his class(Sewell 35th) and he came in and played Defense. Never truly got the chance to play QB, should have at least been a slot receiver the entire time because he proved he was a playmaker. Hall should have transfered somewhere, not LU but to another ACC school. Groh could be costing Vic millions of dollers and Hall seems such the stand up guy. I hope Vic goes to the NFL and becomes a real star so we can again see how dumb Al is

Flag Comment Posted by hoodo on November 17, 2009 at 10:08 am

vic hall should have transfered to liberty where his talent could been showcased. one of the best qb in the state of virginia. smart coach put him on defence.

Flag Comment Posted by bingo on November 17, 2009 at 9:34 am

see ya Al !
as george welsh, who brought the program to a higher level but could not rise further, Al has reached his peak as well. what we need is some new energy and to move the program upward.
please do not worry about Al, his buyout will be in the millions of dollars. pretty nice to be paid and do nothing. he can sit in his home in glenmore and write a book or go to the old coaches lecture circuit or just do whatever he wants to do. please chville do not cry for Big Al.

Flag Comment Posted by BigAl on November 17, 2009 at 8:33 am

“Probably I would say that they don’t know,” the coach said.

Sorry, coach, but just because you and your staff don’t seem to have a clue how to use Vic Hall doesn’t mean that NFL teams don’t. It seems a fatal flaw in that Hall’s talents were for the most part wasted at UVA.

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