Groh bashers only tell part of the story

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Regardless of what transpires over the next 24 hours in terms of Virginia football, there are a few things that need to be said.

For those who tend to live on the negative side, then you should skip on to something else.

I’m not a Virginia alum. My allegiances as a fan have rested with a school in the Deep South since I was old enough to watch football. I’m paid to be an impartial observer of UVa athletics, something I’ve done since 1982.

I was at the press conference when George Welsh was introduced as coach and have missed only two games since. Over the years, I’ve gained a lot of insight and inside knowledge from Welsh, his assistants, and Al Groh and his staff, stuff that most people aren’t privy.

That’s why I find it necessary to defend Groh in this column today. Yes, I do like Groh. I think he’s a good coach and I believe he will get things going again at UVa.

I’m sure that many of you don’t agree and will be inclined to rip me on the message boards and send me nasty e-mails. Go ahead — I’m accustomed to such negativity. I learned a long time ago that no matter where you went to school, that class didn’t automatically come with a degree.

Poisonous atmosphere

To avoid any confusion, I’m not lumping all Virginia fans together. However, in the 26 seasons I have covered UVa athletics, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen so much negativity.

I’ve covered five other major colleges in my career and never witnessed so much of it.

I knew things had to be bad when one former UVa All-American came up and said that he preferred playing road games because the atmosphere at Scott Stadium was so negative.

After all that Welsh did for UVa and the football program — essentially performing a coaching miracle — I still can’t believe the way many fans treated him the last few seasons of his career. George is as tough as they come, and that bothered him.

Sure, Groh’s team just finished 5-7. However, let’s look at two key factors.

Scrambling for a QB

First of all, he had to play the season with essentially the team’s third-string quarterback. Now, I’m not throwing Marc Verica under the bus. I really like the kid. What he did accomplish was impressive. But as I wrote during that success, he was due for some bad days because he was a rookie and hadn’t gone through the process.

Ask any head coach in the country what their season would have been like this year if they had lost their top two quarterbacks and had to essentially go back to the drawing board.

I did.

The few I talked to said they were amazed that Groh could win a single game after that happened — let alone four, two of them against ranked teams (I still believe Georgia Tech is the best team in the ACC).

I firmly believe that had Jameel Sewell or Pete Lalich been around for the whole season, the Cavs would have been in the ACC Championship game Saturday.

The fact that UVa went 5-7 against what was ranked by Sagarin as the toughest schedule in the nation should not be ignored. If you watched football yesterday, you would have noted that Virginia gave ACC champ Virginia Tech a better game in Blacksburg than Boston College did in Tampa.

You might have also noticed that East Carolina won the Conference USA championship and that Richmond hammered defending FCS champion Appalachian State. Oh, and Southern California kept on rolling.

Speaking of USC, give Groh some credit. After the VAF and athletic department created tons of ill will among a segment of its fan base with its reseating of Scott Stadium, one of the lures or remedies was to schedule the Trojans in order to create some excitement and draw fans.

The Cavs had practically no chance of winning. Had Groh not been a team player and instead scheduled teams like Clemson and some other schools chose to play, sure wins, the Cavs would have been bowl eligible regardless of what happened down the stretch.

I also asked some head coaches about that. One of them said, “I didn’t see a whole lot of people lining up to schedule USC.”

Those are two huge factors that can turn any team’s season.

Meanwhile, fans are complaining about Groh’s record over eight seasons: 56-44 with a 3-2 bowl record that’s a lot closer to 5-0 than some may think. That’s an average of seven wins a year.

Welsh’s last eight seasons saw the Cavs win 61 games, or an average of 7.6 wins per year, and a 2-5 bowl record.

Now, if Welsh, who is considered one of the top coaches in college football history (he’s in the Hall of Fame) couldn’t average more than 7.6, tell me who could?

Virginia tried its best to get Mark Richt to come here after George retired, and Richt and his wife loved Charlottesville, the University, but he realized that under the conditions that weren’t likely to change, he could rarely win more than eight games a year here. Yes, that’s fact, not fiction.

Then we keep hearing all the comparisons and frustration about losing to Virginia Tech. Well, who doesn’t lose to Tech?

Give Frank Beamer credit. He’s got an incredible program going and he’s a surefire Hall of Famer himself. Plus, he has one of the nation’s top assistants in Bud Foster, who has made a difference.

UVa is 1-7 vs. Tech during the Groh era, although last week’s results indicate there’s not that much separating the two programs at the current moment.

Here’s how the rest of the ACC has done against the Hokies: Duke 0-5; N.C. State 1-1; Wake Forest 0-2 (Deacons coach Jim Grobe was last year’s national coach of the year); Georgia Tech 1-4; UNC 0-5; Maryland 0-3; Florida State 2-1; Clemson 0-2. BC and Miami are expansion teams but BC owns a 4-5 record against Tech since ‘01, while Miami is 4-4.

Virginia fans like to throw academics in the face of their opponents, so the fact that the Cavaliers can’t always get their choice of athletes or keep them for that matter due to academics can’t be ignored either.

I’m not poking fun of Virginia Tech here, but there are differences. The fact that any kid goes to college and betters themselves is terrific. However, if you’re a recruit and you can go to Tech and choose an easier major and play in front of a more enthusiastic crowd, which would you choose?

Of Tech’s starting 22 players, 10 of them list their course study as “apparel, housing and resource management.” Again, I’m not saying that’s bad. I’m saying it’s different.

Getting back to the quarterback thing. If you’ll look at the last 25 years or so of UVa football, then you might notice that in all of the seasons that the Cavaliers won eight or more games, there was a pretty good quarterback running the show: Don Majkowski (‘84); Scott Secules (‘87, he led the ACC in passing); Shawn Moore (‘89 and ‘90); Matt Blundin (‘91, he led the ACC in passing); Mike Groh (‘94 ... led the ACC, and ‘95); Aaron Brooks (‘98); Matt Schaub (‘02 and ‘03); Marques Hagans (‘04) and Sewell last season.

Lesson: when you have a quality quarterback, things usually go well. When you don’t ...

Groh has also been handicapped by the early entrance deal. Virginia is the only ACC school that discourages it (although one guy seems to be squeezing through this time around). Several of the other ACC schools sign well over the 25-recruit limit, and believe me, it makes a difference.

Groh runs a clean program and gets rid of troublemakers. Some schools keep them on the team.

UVa’s recruiting seems to be improving in the Commonwealth. If you have been paying attention, several coaches have said that Groh is doing a good job and are sending players his way.

Howie Long, Todd Lalich (Pete’s father) and Tiki Barber have all sang Groh’s praise over the past 12 months. Those aren’t bad endorsements.

And, please, give me a break on the sign ban thing at Scott Stadium. Groh had nothing to do with that, any more than he had anything to do with the reseating of the stadium. That blame falls elsewhere.

Then there’s the matter of expectations.

Why do you think Virginia is the only school in the ACC (pre-expansion) that has not won an outright league championship in football or men’s basketball since 1976?

It’s not coaching.

That’s a column for another day.

In the meantime, it makes me wonder what might happen if the Virginia fan base got behind Groh the way Tech fans have supported Beamer all these years. Something positive just might happen.

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Flag Comment Posted by BigAl on December 08, 2008 at 12:03 am

I guess the Progress has figured out how to get a good conversation going online: just have the resident UVA apologist write a column strengthening his credentials as a UVA apologist!

Flag Comment Posted by TrueBlueHoo on December 07, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Okay. When you say Groh bashers only tell half the story, you may forget its the most important part. First, I will say I have met coach Groh, and I think he’s a great guy. So I’m not attacking him as a person, but as a coach here are the facts:

1) He is a terrible judge of talent. Even going back to Matt Schaub, Matt didn’t play a snap until his junior year. Why did Mikell Simpson not play until all 3 running back were hurt? The one game Kevin McCabe played in, he won in overtime. Heck, look at this past game in Blacksburg, he took a guy out of high school who still owns the state record for total offense, and he never ever plays him on offense? Need I say more? His pro-style of give one guy the nod, and never give anybody else a chance is absurd.

2) He is not a good leader. Look over in Blacksburg. Those guys love Frank Beamer; the way he dances after games and gets them fired up before games. Sure the starters will say they love Groh, but that’s because in his pro-style, once they’re tagged as the starters, they don’t sit down. He is a facilitator, not a coach.

3) He is one of the worst game-time coaches. He makes the worst game-time decisions. Yes, he prepares diligently for games, but when it counts, he will never go for it on fourth, or he’ll make the worst call on fourth. He never sends pressure when he has to on defense. He plays conservative, never plays to win, then never ever blames himself for a loss.

You want to talk about negativity? How about how he’s thrown Marc Verica under the bus? He says the only thing that will cure Verica over the summer is, and I quote, “Dr. Phil.“ Meanwhile, he’s thrown more passes than any other ACC quarterback this season, led the league in accuracy, and guided the team to a 4-game winning streak. Meanwhile, he throws a lot of interceptions, something Jameel Sewell did a lot of in his first season as well, and when Groh is asked about his son’s job security, he calls it a “divisive question.“ That’s just not fair!

Finally, all I have to say is I’m tired of people saying Jameel Sewell would have taken this team to a championship this year. That’s just flat out wrong. Verica sees the field better than Sewell, throws a more catchable ball, throws a much better deep ball, and is just a smarter quarterback. And as far as comparing Al to George, please. George Welsh would have dominated in Blacksburg with this talent. The fact is, if UVA wants mediocrity, and 6-6 seasons every year. They’ll stick with Al.

Flag Comment Posted by 123whitt on December 07, 2008 at 7:42 pm

Hey Chris11,
Listen up and listen good, not all UVA fans are wine and cheese, and the sterotypes are getting old and played out.  So come up with something new.  I stand up every down every play,and yes the wine and cheese do exist, and they get pissed and tell me to sit down.  It aggravates me there is no doubt, but there is a fan base who is die hard. Who tailgates and drinks beer and whiskey.  That is me and my father.  We are die hards.  We are blue collar, and donate hundreds, not thousands.  Are season tickets are appreciated not taken for granted.  So please before you go and sterotype all the fans think before you speak, becasue there is a few of us who are blue collar and want to see a winning program.  So enough with the sterotyping it’s ridicluous…There are rich and poor who want Groh out, it’s a business and a job of winning, and producing.

Flag Comment Posted by B.Cates on December 07, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Great column on the Virginia football situation.Loved the apparel&resource;mgt major at VPI .I knew they had some diversity out there but I never heard of that one.Lord knows what they had the Vick brothers in.George Welsh was indeed a miracle worker at Virginia.He arrived w/ no facilities,no recruits(State prospects wouldn’t even visit C-ville much less play for Virginia)no fan base and turned all that around.He’s recognized as such by all major football organizations.The comments to your column speak for themselves.In the final analysis often fans get what they deserve.Keep up the good work.Regards,B

Flag Comment Posted by bighoo93 on December 07, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Good points, but three major items were ignored that explain things a lot more than unreasonable fan expectations: 1) Nepotism, 2) Arrogance, 3) Failure to meet expectations created by Groh.

Nepotism: Need I explain in detail?  Nobody else in the country would have hired Mike Groh as OC.  He wasn’t hired on merit.  He was hired on account of being the coach’s son.  That’s fine if it works out.  But it hasn’t.  At all.  The offense has been pitiful since Mike Groh took over as OC, and you can’t point to injuries for 3 years.  If it were anyone else, he would have been fired or reassigned.  But he isn’t because he is the son.  It is painful to hear the comments after games - when someone asks about a play call, Groh angrily blows it off.  When a good play is run, Groh inserts awkward praise for his son, where he would NEVER do the same for any other coach (nor do other head coaches).

2) Arrogance.  I’m glad Groh is confident.  I’m sure its tiresome to be so experienced and knowledgeable, and then have to answer questions of rubes like the local media and fans.  But you know what?  That’s part of the job.  So defending apparently stupid moves by declaring that he is playing chess and the rest of us are thinking checkers is unacceptable.

3) Expectations: Groh is the one who said he expected to win ACC championships when he came here.  Good.  That should be the goal.  But he’s failed at it.  UVA hasn’t sniffed so much as the conference title game, much less won it.  And its not like the ACC has been a power conference, either.  Groh has been here 8 years.  We know what he can do.  It isn’t what he said.  If we are willing to accept mediocrity at UVA, then fine.  But why pay $2 million for it?  And why do we think nobody else could keep us mediocre?  Are we really afraid that we won’t be able to win 5 games if we have a different coach?  That’s the total in 2 of the last 3 years, the only exception being last year where we won FIVE games by 2 points or less. 

Really, you missed the main points.  Its not Groh bashing.  I don’t hate the guy, I know he loves UVA and is doing the best he can do.  Nobody can accuse Groh of mailing it in.  But this is major college football.  You have to be judged on your performance, not your heart.

Flag Comment Posted by Roger on December 07, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Jerry, You are right on with the Groh article!  I believe in fairness and don’t appreciate unknowledgeable fans who rant about a VAST situation about which they have HALF_VAST viewpoint.

Let me suggest that Groh also looks out for his players (recruits) who have committed to play for him..even if they are no longer part of the family.  Ask any player who has played for him.  He is a player’s coach.  EX: Peter Lalich was held out of the Connecticut game for more than one reason..2. If he played, his entire season of eligibility was lost.  Since he played only two games, he can sit out a full year at Oregon State & have 3 full years of eligibility (NCAA approval?).Ahmad Bradshaw was not given the opportunity to enroll..was referred to Marshall where he had 4 full years of eligibility if he wanted to use them.

Let me give you another example of the MAN, AL Groh. He cares for people. In a pouring rainstorm, my wife was coming into McCue Center in a wheelchair & I was pushing he up the hill with no umbrella. Al was inside on the phone trying to reschedule a camp event.  He literally RAN from about 20 yards away to open the door for us and only smiled and waved as he continued an important task.  He could have ignored a helpless situation, but he didn’t. He keeps a thick exterior, but inside Al clearly cares for people.  He loves and cares for UVA!!!

I have been a UVA fan for 40+ years and known most of the coaches.  I have taken Frankie Beamer fishing.  (He also is a real gentleman.)  But Virginia would be fortunate to have Al GROH for as long as he desires to stay.  His teams have shown more team spirit, desire & push tham most UVA teams of the past 40 years. His October this year was one of the greates pieces of coaching ever done at UVA. I admire his ability to tolerate the shortsighted viewpoint that has been exhibited over the past year.

Flag Comment Posted by MikeyMo on December 07, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Chris11, TRUE fans do not accept mediocrity like you. YOU are a crappy fan. Groh is not getting it done and only the panty-waist namby pamby types don’t admit it.

Flag Comment Posted by Crobhoo on December 07, 2008 at 1:01 pm

These comments are the same comments that are all over the message boards. They make me sick that I even care enough to write. But here goes… Your article, sir, was spot on! And to your readers who want to take a dump on you, well listen up…..Like it or love you know its true so read below. Maybe you should substitute your merlot for a bud and your suits and ties for jeans and a t-shirt. Put some elbow grease into this program and maybe success will come. Your money will not buy success!

Some of you whiners responding to this column are truly the wine and cheese crowd with all of your negativity. Drink another glass of your merlot…. The folks writing this negative crap are the same people probably hanging out in the back of their BMW’S in the parking lot, thinking your tailgating in your pink shirts and pretty ties munching on your high end finger foods talking about your successes in life. The ones who leave the game at half time to never show back up to support your team. The ones who never travel to support UVA! The same ones that justify everything they do or think by the money they donate. You wonder why VT enjoys kicking our A@% every year. Blue collar has been kicking white collar butt for years. I dislike people who write the negative attacks, the same people who like to throw their little adult fits when uncle Al doesnt give them what they want when they want it! You are the spoiled rotten adults who will do anything to get their way and say whatever they will and boo hoo until they get it. Go sit in time out! You negative, pompous wine and cheese eaters make me sick to be a UVA fan. I do not care HOW MUCH MONEY YOU DONATE! STOP WHINING!!! VT has always known we are soft as a fan base and they are right! Most of these people and probably all who write the negative crap are the same ones who never played a meaningful down of pop warner football. Probably the same ones who voted to spread the wealth! You know who you are…. So, if you are offended and feel I am vulger or hateful then GOOD! I would expect that from the wine and cheese crowd! If I hit a nerve then at least I know you have feelings beside just hateful feelings. It’s evident the disdain and hatred you show for Al and his son.

Flag Comment Posted by 123whitt on December 07, 2008 at 11:00 am

You sir need to get a clue on big time division 1 atheletics. It is a business, a business of winning.  I would hope that if someone was paying me millions of dollars to do a job, I would feel obligated to perform.  This isn’t a volunteer in high school here we are talking about.  Nobody is saying Mr. Groh isn’t a good man, or a knowledgable football man.  However his record speaks for itself, he has underacheived and his time is up.  We pay good money and donate lot of money to the program to see a winner on the field.  The university has no problems telling us to donate more money even know there is an inferior product on the field, so why should us as fans be told we are negative just because we expect a better product on the field.  His decisions on offense are flat out embarrasing, whether it was him or his son.  And enough about academics, there are plenty of schools with strong academics that have better programs.  We have turned over alot of players to that league on sundays, the talent is there, and has been there.  It’s time for a change, and maybe it won’t get better, but you seem a little too close to this situation and coach groh to give an objective opinion, very obvious by your reporting.  You should be ashamed to call yourself bias to this situation, and be very ashamed to call us negative fans.  How much money and heartache have you invested Mr. Ratcliff over the years??

Flag Comment Posted by NTK1 on December 07, 2008 at 10:52 am

you are such an pathetic apologized.  You defended Jeff Jones and Pete G. till the end.  Seriously, you are most uncritical observer of UVA coaches.  The offensive is a joke and i suspect will remain a one.  The time management is horrorific.  Your defense of coach Groh is so blah, blah, blah. You probably think President Bush should get another 4 years and a million plus dollars. Bring back Jeff Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!

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